هل هذه الصورة تعبر فعلا عن ذلك ام مجرد تخمين دون معرفة من قبل المواقع ,,.ايسوس العراق كتب:الصورة تعبر عن الفرق بين النسخة الروسية وقدرتها على تحمل قذائف الطاقة الحركية والنسخ اتصديرية
نسخة روسية.............
T72
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Re: T72 vs M1 Abrams
لا اضن أنها صحيحه لان الاختلاف في التحمل ضد مقذوف أن الheat هو أكبر بكثير في النسخ الروسية t72a لانها تحمل درع هو عباره عن لفة سيراميك الي يعطيها حماية كبيره ضد مقذوفات heat وأما ألبي فهي تحمل دروع أحدث و دروع تفاعيله مما يجعل حمايتها هائله ضد إلهيت
Re: T72 vs M1 Abrams
ههههsu35 كتب:لا اضن أنها صحيحه لان الاختلاف في التحمل ضد مقذوف أن الheat هو أكبر بكثير في النسخ الروسية t72a لانها تحمل درع هو عباره عن لفة سيراميك الي يعطيها حماية كبيره ضد مقذوفات heat وأما ألبي فهي تحمل دروع أحدث و دروع تفاعيله مما يجعل حمايتها هائله ضد إلهيت
عزيزي بالطبع النسخ تطور باستمرار...
هية النسخة اس بس شنو تصديرية بهذا المسمى
نعم اضيف لها دروع تفاعلية متففجرة بدائية يمكن كونتاكت -1..
وتبديل المحرك
النسخة التي طورت جيدا هي البي اي BA
باضافة انظمة محدثة كذلك تحسين اداء المخرك
والاهم اضافة دروع ERA من كونتاكت 5 التي تزود اليوم بها التي 90 اس (النسخة الخام ;)
ونظام شتورا للقتل السهل..الخ
بالتالي هذا الامر هو INFENTY
حرب مستمرة بين الدفاع والهجوم ..
انت تعتقد ان زيادة وتطوير الدروع التفاعلية يحصن الدبابة في نفس الوقت الاستمرار بتطويرات قذايف الشحنة المترادفة والخ
http://pentagonus.ru/army/1994/rpg.ht1.jpg
شوف الاولى تمثل جهد لاستهداف الدروع التفاعلية المتفجرة ....
بعدها الجهد الرئيسي بالشحنة الثانية رح تستهدف الدرع الاساسي (السلبيي للدبابة)
ايسوس..
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BAGHDAD, Sept. 6 (UPI) -- Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, battling with an al-Qaida insurgency and political unrest, is scheduled to visit Washington this month to activate a defense cooperation agreement and push for stepped-up arms sales, including Boeing AH-64 Apache attack helicopters.
Maliki may find President Barack Obama and the Pentagon somewhat preoccupied with the Syrian conflict and the question of whether to strike at the regime of Syrian President Bashar Assad, which Maliki supports to some degree.
This could influence how his hosts respond to his desire for more U.S. weapons. But the prospect of deals worth $2.7 billion or more to American defense contractors hustling for export contracts amid cutbacks in U.S. military spending may prove to be irresistible.
Baghdad is already negotiating with Washington and BAE Systems to buy 200 Bradley Fighting Vehicles over the next year or so, BAE officials disclosed recently.
If that comes off, it will allow BAE to keep operating its Bradley assembly line at York, Pa. Another expected Bradley deal with Saudi Arabia would keep it running through 2015.
The U.S. weekly Defense News reports the Iraqi deal is expected to be concluded in 2014 and could involve newly upgraded M2A2 ODS -- Operation Desert Storm -- models.
The Iraqi army currently has 1,000 tracked M113 armored personnel carriers built by BAE.
The U.S. Department of Defense notified Congress in early August of possible new sales to Iraq of air-defense and communications systems worth $2.7 billion.
That raised the total value of proposed U.S. arms deals to Baghdad in recent weeks to around $5 billion.
The biggest of the new proposed sales involves 681 Stinger surface-to-air missiles built by Raytheon Missile Systems and 40 truck-mounted launchers, along with three Raytheon Hawk MIM-23 air-defense batteries with 216 missiles, worth $2.4 billion.
The Stingers can also be fired from Bradley AFVs, and there's an air-launched version for the Apache gunship.
Iraq is buying 36 Lockheed Martin F-16IQ fighter jets, with deliveries of the first 18 under a $4.3 billion deal in December 2011 due to start this year.
The Block-52 jets will be the first combat aircraft for Iraq's post-Saddam Hussein air force.
It's highly unlikely the air force, which is said to be seeking a final inventory of 96 F-16s, will have an operational combat capability until 2015.
That makes acquiring ground-based air-defense systems like the Hawk and the Stinger all the more important.
Maliki is likely to encounter some opposition in Washington to being supplied with the Apache attack helicopters because of concerns the increasingly autocratic Iraqi leader might use then against his own people.
The minority Sunnis, who claim they're being discriminated against by Maliki's Shiite, Tehran-leaning coalition and have clashed with Iraq's largely Shiite security forces, are possible targets.
So is the independence-minded Kurdish minority which is defying Baghdad by producing and exporting its own oil in its semiautonomous northern enclave.
They don't want the Americans to sell Maliki the F-16s because they fear the jets will be used against them. Maliki declared Aug. 14 he will continue his harsh ****down on "terrorists."
The House Foreign Affairs Committee and the Senate Foreign Relations Committee have refused so far to allow sales of Apaches, which are ideal for counter-insurgency operations, to Maliki.
With his regime widely suspected of allowing Iranian aircraft to overfly Iraq to deliver weapons to the beleaguered Assad regime despite U.S. protests, the Iraqi leader may once again be refused.
But it's clear Maliki needs weapons systems like the Apache to counter al-Qaida networks currently engaged in a murderous bombing campaign in Baghdad and other cities -- and which have recently begun attacking oil centers in Shiite-dominated southern Iraq that are operated by Western oil companies.
Such sales could go a long way toward maintaining U.S. influence in Baghdad, where it has been flagging since U.S. forces withdrew in December 2011 -- as witnessed by a $4.3 billion arms deal with Russia in October 2012.
That involves 40 Mil Mi-28NE all-weather attack helicopters worth $2 billion and 42 Pantsir S-1 short-to-medium range SAM systems worth $2.3 billion.
If that lineup looks a lot like the Apaches and Hawk-Stinger package that Maliki's hustling for in Washington, it could suggest he's trying to bargain with the U.S.
Moscow, a key arms supplier to the Saddam Hussein regime, would love to trump Obama right now.
Topics: Nouri al-Maliki, Barack Obama, Saddam Hussein, Ed Bradley, post-Saddam Hussein
هذا يعني ان العراق يفكر بتطوير الابرامز ورفعها الى 2 أي
Maliki may find President Barack Obama and the Pentagon somewhat preoccupied with the Syrian conflict and the question of whether to strike at the regime of Syrian President Bashar Assad, which Maliki supports to some degree.
This could influence how his hosts respond to his desire for more U.S. weapons. But the prospect of deals worth $2.7 billion or more to American defense contractors hustling for export contracts amid cutbacks in U.S. military spending may prove to be irresistible.
Baghdad is already negotiating with Washington and BAE Systems to buy 200 Bradley Fighting Vehicles over the next year or so, BAE officials disclosed recently.
If that comes off, it will allow BAE to keep operating its Bradley assembly line at York, Pa. Another expected Bradley deal with Saudi Arabia would keep it running through 2015.
The U.S. weekly Defense News reports the Iraqi deal is expected to be concluded in 2014 and could involve newly upgraded M2A2 ODS -- Operation Desert Storm -- models.
The Iraqi army currently has 1,000 tracked M113 armored personnel carriers built by BAE.
The U.S. Department of Defense notified Congress in early August of possible new sales to Iraq of air-defense and communications systems worth $2.7 billion.
That raised the total value of proposed U.S. arms deals to Baghdad in recent weeks to around $5 billion.
The biggest of the new proposed sales involves 681 Stinger surface-to-air missiles built by Raytheon Missile Systems and 40 truck-mounted launchers, along with three Raytheon Hawk MIM-23 air-defense batteries with 216 missiles, worth $2.4 billion.
The Stingers can also be fired from Bradley AFVs, and there's an air-launched version for the Apache gunship.
Iraq is buying 36 Lockheed Martin F-16IQ fighter jets, with deliveries of the first 18 under a $4.3 billion deal in December 2011 due to start this year.
The Block-52 jets will be the first combat aircraft for Iraq's post-Saddam Hussein air force.
It's highly unlikely the air force, which is said to be seeking a final inventory of 96 F-16s, will have an operational combat capability until 2015.
That makes acquiring ground-based air-defense systems like the Hawk and the Stinger all the more important.
Maliki is likely to encounter some opposition in Washington to being supplied with the Apache attack helicopters because of concerns the increasingly autocratic Iraqi leader might use then against his own people.
The minority Sunnis, who claim they're being discriminated against by Maliki's Shiite, Tehran-leaning coalition and have clashed with Iraq's largely Shiite security forces, are possible targets.
So is the independence-minded Kurdish minority which is defying Baghdad by producing and exporting its own oil in its semiautonomous northern enclave.
They don't want the Americans to sell Maliki the F-16s because they fear the jets will be used against them. Maliki declared Aug. 14 he will continue his harsh ****down on "terrorists."
The House Foreign Affairs Committee and the Senate Foreign Relations Committee have refused so far to allow sales of Apaches, which are ideal for counter-insurgency operations, to Maliki.
With his regime widely suspected of allowing Iranian aircraft to overfly Iraq to deliver weapons to the beleaguered Assad regime despite U.S. protests, the Iraqi leader may once again be refused.
But it's clear Maliki needs weapons systems like the Apache to counter al-Qaida networks currently engaged in a murderous bombing campaign in Baghdad and other cities -- and which have recently begun attacking oil centers in Shiite-dominated southern Iraq that are operated by Western oil companies.
Such sales could go a long way toward maintaining U.S. influence in Baghdad, where it has been flagging since U.S. forces withdrew in December 2011 -- as witnessed by a $4.3 billion arms deal with Russia in October 2012.
That involves 40 Mil Mi-28NE all-weather attack helicopters worth $2 billion and 42 Pantsir S-1 short-to-medium range SAM systems worth $2.3 billion.
If that lineup looks a lot like the Apaches and Hawk-Stinger package that Maliki's hustling for in Washington, it could suggest he's trying to bargain with the U.S.
Moscow, a key arms supplier to the Saddam Hussein regime, would love to trump Obama right now.
Topics: Nouri al-Maliki, Barack Obama, Saddam Hussein, Ed Bradley, post-Saddam Hussein
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Re: T72 vs M1 Abrams
للأسف ليست الأبرامز بل يقصد بها نسخه البرادلي التي يريدها العراق وهي Bradly M2A2ODS وهي تحتوي علي تحديثات طبقت بناء علي الدروس التي استفاد بها الأمريكان من حرب الخليج مع العراق. وللعلم هي ليست احدث نسخه من البرادلي ، هنالك نسخه M2A3 احدث منها مع تعديلات اخري تصاحبها.امجد العبيدي كتب:BAGHDAD, Sept. 6 (UPI) -- Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, battling with an al-Qaida insurgency and political unrest, is scheduled to visit Washington this month to activate a defense cooperation agreement and push for stepped-up arms sales, including Boeing AH-64 Apache attack helicopters.
Maliki may find President Barack Obama and the Pentagon somewhat preoccupied with the Syrian conflict and the question of whether to strike at the regime of Syrian President Bashar Assad, which Maliki supports to some degree.
This could influence how his hosts respond to his desire for more U.S. weapons. But the prospect of deals worth $2.7 billion or more to American defense contractors hustling for export contracts amid cutbacks in U.S. military spending may prove to be irresistible.
Baghdad is already negotiating with Washington and BAE Systems to buy 200 Bradley Fighting Vehicles over the next year or so, BAE officials disclosed recently.
If that comes off, it will allow BAE to keep operating its Bradley assembly line at York, Pa. Another expected Bradley deal with Saudi Arabia would keep it running through 2015.
The U.S. weekly Defense News reports the Iraqi deal is expected to be concluded in 2014 and could involve newly upgraded M2A2 ODS -- Operation Desert Storm -- models.
The Iraqi army currently has 1,000 tracked M113 armored personnel carriers built by BAE.
The U.S. Department of Defense notified Congress in early August of possible new sales to Iraq of air-defense and communications systems worth $2.7 billion.
That raised the total value of proposed U.S. arms deals to Baghdad in recent weeks to around $5 billion.
The biggest of the new proposed sales involves 681 Stinger surface-to-air missiles built by Raytheon Missile Systems and 40 truck-mounted launchers, along with three Raytheon Hawk MIM-23 air-defense batteries with 216 missiles, worth $2.4 billion.
The Stingers can also be fired from Bradley AFVs, and there's an air-launched version for the Apache gunship.
Iraq is buying 36 Lockheed Martin F-16IQ fighter jets, with deliveries of the first 18 under a $4.3 billion deal in December 2011 due to start this year.
The Block-52 jets will be the first combat aircraft for Iraq's post-Saddam Hussein air force.
It's highly unlikely the air force, which is said to be seeking a final inventory of 96 F-16s, will have an operational combat capability until 2015.
That makes acquiring ground-based air-defense systems like the Hawk and the Stinger all the more important.
Maliki is likely to encounter some opposition in Washington to being supplied with the Apache attack helicopters because of concerns the increasingly autocratic Iraqi leader might use then against his own people.
The minority Sunnis, who claim they're being discriminated against by Maliki's Shiite, Tehran-leaning coalition and have clashed with Iraq's largely Shiite security forces, are possible targets.
So is the independence-minded Kurdish minority which is defying Baghdad by producing and exporting its own oil in its semiautonomous northern enclave.
They don't want the Americans to sell Maliki the F-16s because they fear the jets will be used against them. Maliki declared Aug. 14 he will continue his harsh ****down on "terrorists."
The House Foreign Affairs Committee and the Senate Foreign Relations Committee have refused so far to allow sales of Apaches, which are ideal for counter-insurgency operations, to Maliki.
With his regime widely suspected of allowing Iranian aircraft to overfly Iraq to deliver weapons to the beleaguered Assad regime despite U.S. protests, the Iraqi leader may once again be refused.
But it's clear Maliki needs weapons systems like the Apache to counter al-Qaida networks currently engaged in a murderous bombing campaign in Baghdad and other cities -- and which have recently begun attacking oil centers in Shiite-dominated southern Iraq that are operated by Western oil companies.
Such sales could go a long way toward maintaining U.S. influence in Baghdad, where it has been flagging since U.S. forces withdrew in December 2011 -- as witnessed by a $4.3 billion arms deal with Russia in October 2012.
That involves 40 Mil Mi-28NE all-weather attack helicopters worth $2 billion and 42 Pantsir S-1 short-to-medium range SAM systems worth $2.3 billion.
If that lineup looks a lot like the Apaches and Hawk-Stinger package that Maliki's hustling for in Washington, it could suggest he's trying to bargain with the U.S.
Moscow, a key arms supplier to the Saddam Hussein regime, would love to trump Obama right now.
Topics: Nouri al-Maliki, Barack Obama, Saddam Hussein, Ed Bradley, post-Saddam Hussein
هذا يعني ان العراق يفكر بتطوير الابرامز ورفعها الى 2 أي
إذا تخلي عنك العالم فتذكر ان الله دائما معك لا يتخلي عنك.
قناتي علي اليوتوب
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjV11LXG3wtegXs0lRE64Wg/feed?filter=2
قناتي علي اليوتوب
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjV11LXG3wtegXs0lRE64Wg/feed?filter=2
Re: T72 vs M1 Abrams
التي72 في المعارك وعلى أرض الواقع ماذا فعلت ؟
كانت دائما بمثابة العشيقه للصواريخ المضادة والتدمير حليفها في كل محفل !
بالطبع هاذه المواجهه خاسره والتفوق للابرامز سواء من حيث التدريع او السرعه أو القذيفه الحربيه أو الالكترونيات
كانت دائما بمثابة العشيقه للصواريخ المضادة والتدمير حليفها في كل محفل !
بالطبع هاذه المواجهه خاسره والتفوق للابرامز سواء من حيث التدريع او السرعه أو القذيفه الحربيه أو الالكترونيات
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Re: T72 vs M1 Abrams
Czech Company Excalibur Army has refurbished and sold 100 T72 tanks to Iraq.
Also some BVP Infantry Fighting Vehicles.
http://www.excaliburarmy.com/en/
http://www.praguepost.com/world-news/44 ... cs-to-iraq
Also some BVP Infantry Fighting Vehicles.
http://www.excaliburarmy.com/en/
http://www.praguepost.com/world-news/44 ... cs-to-iraq
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ان كانت التي-72 من طراز M4CZ فلابأس بها عسى ان تكون هناك خطط مستقبلية لتجميعها في العراقhayder كتب:Czech Company Excalibur Army has refurbished and sold 100 T72 tanks to Iraq.
Also some BVP Infantry Fighting Vehicles.
http://www.excaliburarmy.com/en/
http://www.praguepost.com/world-news/44 ... cs-to-iraq
اما ان كانت من غير طراز فمع الاسف شرائها وهدر الاموال عليها كان من الافضل شراء اسلحة اخرى بها
وما الفرق بين BMP-1 وBVP-1 هل هي بي ام بي-1 محدثة؟
أحقر الأشخاص الذين قابلتهم هم هؤلاء الذين ساعدوني على احتلال بلادهم. - أدولف هتلر
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nice newshayder كتب:Czech Company Excalibur Army has refurbished and sold 100 T72 tanks to Iraq.
Also some BVP Infantry Fighting Vehicles.
http://www.excaliburarmy.com/en/
http://www.praguepost.com/world-news/44 ... cs-to-iraq
the t72 is it cz version or original version
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شنو جايتنا 100 تي72 جديده
ان كانت الثورات تعني الدمار !
و ان كانت الحرية تعني تقوية الارهاب و تمكينه !!!
و ان كان التهميش يسوغ الخيانة ؟!
فـ...لتذهب هذه الثورات و اصحابها.... الى الجحيم
و من يثور وقت ازمة فلا يسمي نفسه الا بـــ... الـخائن
و.. لا رحمة مع الخونه
و ان كانت الحرية تعني تقوية الارهاب و تمكينه !!!
و ان كان التهميش يسوغ الخيانة ؟!
فـ...لتذهب هذه الثورات و اصحابها.... الى الجحيم
و من يثور وقت ازمة فلا يسمي نفسه الا بـــ... الـخائن
و.. لا رحمة مع الخونه
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Re: T72 vs M1 Abrams
its not clear what sort of updates if any are included.
its very much possible that the Iraqi Army just had the tanks "refurbished" and are buying them in a "standard, 1980s" level. That's what our people love.
its very much possible that the Iraqi Army just had the tanks "refurbished" and are buying them in a "standard, 1980s" level. That's what our people love.
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Re: T72 vs M1 Abrams
أحقر الأشخاص الذين قابلتهم هم هؤلاء الذين ساعدوني على احتلال بلادهم. - أدولف هتلر
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راح تجينا ........ المصدر يكول وفد عراقي جربها واقتنع بيها وتم الاتفاقصقر الذهبية كتب:شنو جايتنا 100 تي72 جديده
فـإن نـغلب فــغــلابــون قـدمـــــا **** وإن نــغـلـب فـغـيـر مـغـلـبـيـنــا
ومــا إن طـبـنـا جـبـن ولــكـــن **** مــنـايــانــا ودولـة آخـريـنــــــــا
فـقـل لـلـشــامـتـيـن بــنا أفـيـقـوا **** سـيـلـقى الشـامـتـون كـما لـقـيـنـا
ومــا إن طـبـنـا جـبـن ولــكـــن **** مــنـايــانــا ودولـة آخـريـنــــــــا
فـقـل لـلـشــامـتـيـن بــنا أفـيـقـوا **** سـيـلـقى الشـامـتـون كـما لـقـيـنـا
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Because they're dinosaurs.......hayder كتب:its not clear what sort of updates if any are included.
its very much possible that the Iraqi Army just had the tanks "refurbished" and are buying them in a "standard, 1980s" level. That's what our people love.
فـإن نـغلب فــغــلابــون قـدمـــــا **** وإن نــغـلـب فـغـيـر مـغـلـبـيـنــا
ومــا إن طـبـنـا جـبـن ولــكـــن **** مــنـايــانــا ودولـة آخـريـنــــــــا
فـقـل لـلـشــامـتـيـن بــنا أفـيـقـوا **** سـيـلـقى الشـامـتـون كـما لـقـيـنـا
ومــا إن طـبـنـا جـبـن ولــكـــن **** مــنـايــانــا ودولـة آخـريـنــــــــا
فـقـل لـلـشــامـتـيـن بــنا أفـيـقـوا **** سـيـلـقى الشـامـتـون كـما لـقـيـنـا
Re: T72 vs M1 Abrams
ربما يكونوا معذورين لو لم يطلبوا المحدثة
الشركات الإسرائيلية على الخط مرة أخرى
http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product142.htmlTwo prototypes of an upgraded T-72M1 MBT were completed by VOP 025,
these being designated the T-72 CZ M3 and the T-72 CZ M4.
The only major difference between the two vehicles is that the T-72 CZ M4 has a new Israeli NIMDA power pack.
على كل حال سيصلنا سلاح نحن بأمس الحاجة له
نصرخ منذ أشهر لحل مشكلة نقص الدبابات وضرورة جلب t-72
ولدينا أطقم جاهزة لقيادة وصيانة الدبابة سواء بالجيش أو الحشد الشعبي ..
وينتظرونها على أحر من الجمر
شكرا على أجمل وأحلى خبر سمعته بالفترة الأخيرة.
hayder كتب:its not clear what sort of updates if any are included.
its very much possible that the Iraqi Army just had the tanks "refurbished" and are buying them in a "standard, 1980s" level. That's what our people love.
فَيا لَيتَ ما بَيني وَبَينَ أَحِبَّتي *** مِنَ البعدِ ما بَيني وَبَينَ المَصائِبِ