Re: SU7, 20, 22 FITTERS of the Iraqi air force
مرسل: الأربعاء يوليو 06, 2011 12:25 am
Regarding the subtypes of Su-22 in Iraqi AF service, this quote is from the "Iraqi losses during the 1980-88 war" topic:
I'm asking this because:
1) To my knowledge the manufacturer's designations for the Iraqi Sukhoi VG modifications should be in order Su-20, Su-22 (with no letter-the aircraft with the undernose fairing), and Su-22M (aircraft with big spine), and of course the last is Su-22M4. The real Su-22M3 aparently was built in limited numbers and can be readily identified by the suplementary R-60 pylons between the two fixed wing pylons on previous export marks ( like on Su-22M4). Seems Hungary only had some ( i might be wrong though).
2) According to the Iraqi AF top secret analysis from where the numbers of available numbers in 1990 come from , there were 10 Su-22R and 24 "Sukhoi-M2"-persumably Su-22s- left in 1990. Should it be understood that Iraq bought initially 36 Su-22R and 36 "Su-22M2"? I think Mr. Cooper in one of the captions for a reconnaisance configured Su-22 ( with no letter) states that only 6 KKR-1 pods were delivered. Is it possible that actually the Su-22R number is included in the "Su-22M2" number , and somehow they got counted twice ?
Sorry for the cumbersome writing , i'm trying to find the right words for what i want to ask.
Thank you for your patiente.
I'm a bit confused about the designations used, especially Su-22M2 and M3. Reading thru this topic , is it to be assumed that Su-22M2 and M3 were Iraqi AF personnel designations for these aircraft ? (not unheard of as other airforces uses local unoficial designations for aircraft in service).SU-22 / Su-22R
delivered: 36
sent abroad during 1980s: 0
Accidental losses: ??
Combat losses: 20-25
remaining in 1990: 10
destroyed in 1991: 1
damaged in 1991: 0
flew to iran in 1991: 0
survived after 1991: 9
Su-22M2
delivered: 36
sent abroad during 1980s: 0
Accidental losses: ??
Combat losses: 8-12
remaining in 1990: 24
destroyed in 1991: 2
damaged in 1991: 6
flew to iran in 1991: 5
survived after 1991: 11
Su-22M3
delivered: 18
sent abroad during 1980s: 0
Accidental losses: 0
Combat losses: 2
remaining in 1990: 16
destroyed in 1991: 7
damaged in 1991: 0
flew to iran in 1991: 9
survived after 1991: 0
I'm asking this because:
1) To my knowledge the manufacturer's designations for the Iraqi Sukhoi VG modifications should be in order Su-20, Su-22 (with no letter-the aircraft with the undernose fairing), and Su-22M (aircraft with big spine), and of course the last is Su-22M4. The real Su-22M3 aparently was built in limited numbers and can be readily identified by the suplementary R-60 pylons between the two fixed wing pylons on previous export marks ( like on Su-22M4). Seems Hungary only had some ( i might be wrong though).
2) According to the Iraqi AF top secret analysis from where the numbers of available numbers in 1990 come from , there were 10 Su-22R and 24 "Sukhoi-M2"-persumably Su-22s- left in 1990. Should it be understood that Iraq bought initially 36 Su-22R and 36 "Su-22M2"? I think Mr. Cooper in one of the captions for a reconnaisance configured Su-22 ( with no letter) states that only 6 KKR-1 pods were delivered. Is it possible that actually the Su-22R number is included in the "Su-22M2" number , and somehow they got counted twice ?
Sorry for the cumbersome writing , i'm trying to find the right words for what i want to ask.
Thank you for your patiente.