Losses of Iraqi aircraft 1980 - 88

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Losses of Iraqi aircraft 1980 - 88

مشاركة بواسطة hayder » الثلاثاء أكتوبر 12, 2010 1:40 am

This thread is to discuss the aggregate losses of Iraqi air force aircraft during the 198088 war.

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Re: War with Iran - opening stage 1980-82

مشاركة بواسطة hayder » الاثنين مارس 14, 2011 9:05 pm

I want to use this thread to count the "total" losses that Iraq sustained during the 1980-88 war.

The project is aimed at establishing the true losses that Iraq incurred in the war.

Thankfully we have the official Iraqi record for "1990-1991" to guide us.

Mirage F1EQ
delivered: 93 - 16(EQ), 16 (EQ2), 28(EQ4). 20(EQ5), 13(EQ6)
sent abroad during 1980s: 0
Accidental losses: ??
Combat losses: 15-17
remaining in 1990: 76
destroyed in 1991: 23
damaged in 1991: 6
flew to iran in 1991: 24
survived after 1991: 23

MiG-23BN
delivered: 54
sent abroad during 1980s: ??
Accidental losses: 3
Combat losses: 13
remaining in 1990: 38
destroyed in 1991: 17
damaged in 1991: 0
flew to iran in 1991: 4
survived after 1991: 18

Su-20
delivered: 18
sent abroad during 1980s: 0
Accidental losses: 0
Combat losses: 0
remaining in 1990: 18
destroyed in 1991: 4
damaged in 1991: 2
flew to iran in 1991: 4
survived after 1991: 8

SU-22 / Su-22R
delivered: 36
sent abroad during 1980s: 0
Accidental losses: ??
Combat losses: 20-25
remaining in 1990: 10
destroyed in 1991: 1
damaged in 1991: 0
flew to iran in 1991: 0
survived after 1991: 9

Su-22M2
delivered: 36
sent abroad during 1980s: 0
Accidental losses: ??
Combat losses: 8-12
remaining in 1990: 24
destroyed in 1991: 2
damaged in 1991: 6
flew to iran in 1991: 5
survived after 1991: 11

Su-22M3
delivered: 18
sent abroad during 1980s: 0
Accidental losses: 0
Combat losses: 2
remaining in 1990: 16
destroyed in 1991: 7
damaged in 1991: 0
flew to iran in 1991: 9
survived after 1991: 0

Su-22M4
delivered: 36
sent abroad during 1980s: 0
Accidental losses: ??
Combat losses: 6-8
remaining in 1990: 28
destroyed in 1991: 7
damaged in 1991: 0
flew to iran in 1991: 15
survived after 1991: 6

Su-24MK
delivered: 30
sent abroad during 1980s: 0
Accidental losses: 0
Combat losses: 0
remaining in 1990: 30
destroyed in 1991: 5
damaged in 1991: 0
flew to iran in 1991: 24
survived after 1991: 1

SU-25
delivered: 72
sent abroad during 1980s: 0
Accidental losses: ??
Combat losses: 4-6
remaining in 1990: 66
destroyed in 1991: 31
damaged in 1991: 8
flew to iran in 1991: 7
survived after 1991: 20

MiG21/F7
delivered: 230 - 12 (F-13), 16(FL), 36(PFM), 48(MF), 48(Bis), 70(F7)
sent abroad during 1980s: 10-12
Accidental losses: ??
combat losses before 1980: 10-12
Combat losses: 20-30
remaining in 1990: 174
destroyed in 1991: 56
damaged in 1991: 32
flew to iran in 1991: 0
survived after 1991: 86

MiG-23ML
delivered: 54
sent abroad during 1980s: 4-8
Accidental losses: ??
Combat losses: 5-8
remaining in 1990: 39
destroyed in 1991: 14
damaged in 1991: 1
flew to iran in 1991: 7
survived after 1991: 17

MiG-23MF
delivered: 18
sent abroad during 1980s: 0
Accidental losses: ??
Combat losses: 1-4
remaining in 1990: 14
destroyed in 1991: 2
damaged in 1991: 5
flew to iran in 1991: 0
survived after 1991: 7

MiG-23MS
delivered: 18
sent abroad during 1980s: 0
Accidental losses: ??
Combat losses: 1-3
remaining in 1990: 15
destroyed in 1991: 2
damaged in 1991: 4
flew to iran in 1991: 0
survived after 1991: 9

MiG-25RB
delivered: 12
sent abroad during 1980s: ??
Accidental losses: ??
Combat losses: 2-3
remaining in 1990: 9
destroyed in 1991: 3
damaged in 1991: 3
flew to iran in 1991: 0
survived after 1991: 3

MiG-25PDS
delivered: 22
sent abroad during 1980s: ??
Accidental losses: 1
Combat losses: 1-2
remaining in 1990: 19
destroyed in 1991: 13
damaged in 1991: 1
flew to iran in 1991: 0
survived after 1991: 5

MiG-29
delivered: 37
sent abroad during 1980s: 0
Accidental losses: 1 (1990, 39sq)
Combat losses: 0
remaining in 1990: 36
destroyed in 1991: 17
damaged in 1991: 4
flew to iran in 1991: 4
survived after 1991: 11


Tu-16
delivered: 12
sent abroad during 1980s: 0
combat losses before 1980: 1
Accidental losses: ??
Combat losses: 6-8
remaining in 1990: 3
destroyed in 1991: 3
damaged in 1991: 0
flew to iran in 1991: 0
survived after 1991: 0

Xian B-6D
delivered: 4
sent abroad during 1980s: 0
Accidental losses: 0
Combat losses: 0
remaining in 1990: 4
destroyed in 1991: 4
damaged in 1991: 0
flew to iran in 1991: 0
survived after 1991: 0

Tu-22
delivered: 12
sent abroad during 1980s: 0
Accidental losses: ??
Combat losses: 5-7
remaining in 1990: 5
destroyed in 1991: 5
damaged in 1991: 0
flew to iran in 1991: 0
survived after 1991: 0



total losses of airforce aircraft in 1980-88:
110 - 150 airforce aircraft. This excludes losses of army aviation assets (helicopters and PC7/PC9)


Corrections and updates are very welcome! we want to create a resource to find out the truth about the 1980-88 war and its losses.

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Re: Losses of Iraqi aircraft 1980 - 88

مشاركة بواسطة hayder » الاثنين مارس 14, 2011 10:58 pm

Putting Iraq's losses into perspective.

During an 8 year war, in which Iraq flew more than 5x more combat sorties into "enemy" territory than Iran, Iraq managed to lose LESS aircraft than Iran.

This illustrates the massive discrepancy in the air defence capabilities of both nations, as well as their abilities to avoid being shot down.

Even at the "worst" case scenario of losing 150 aircraft over 8 years (almost 3000 days of combat), that averages:

1 aircraft lost every 20 days of war.

For an airforce the size of Iraq's (as it was then, a relatively large airforce) sustaining such losses purely on routine training and CAP would have not been untoward. Let alone flying a minimum of 100 (and sometimes up to 600) combat missions EVERY DAY, against an enemy equipped with both a large BVR-AAM equipped fleet of fighters as well as a very large network of modern SAMs.

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Re: Losses of Iraqi aircraft 1980 - 88

مشاركة بواسطة يحيى » الثلاثاء مارس 15, 2011 1:31 am

مع الاسف القوة الطوة ادمرت بعد ال 91

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Re: War with Iran - opening stage 1980-82

مشاركة بواسطة Nissan-28 » الثلاثاء مارس 15, 2011 6:48 pm

hayder كتب: Mirage F1EQ
Combat losses: 15-17
Number 30-35 seems more correct. List below incompleet:

-1 Mirage F.1EQ 9-dec-1984 operational loss (engine fire in training flight) Capt. Tariq Ibrahim Ramadan Bakr Alazzawi ejected near Al Qayyarah AB.

-1 Mirage F.1EQ 20-jul-1985 Downed by SAM in Iran's West Azerbaijan province. Pilot was captured.
-1 Mirage F.1EQ 6-jul-1986 Downed by SAM over Mehran area. Pilot was killed.
-1 Mirage F.1EQ 16-aug-1986 Downed by antiaircraft fire near Dezful in Khuzistan province at noon. Pilot killed.
-1 Mirage F.1EQ 13-oct-1986 1-st Lt. Kadim Jassim al-Bayati, Lost over Gulf in combat mission. Pilot missed in action.
-1 Mirage F.1EQ 17-oct-1986 1st Lt. Hassoune Mahmod Ahmad, Downed by antiaircraft fire over Gulf. Pilot captured.
-1 Mirage F.1EQ 1-jan-1987 1st Lt. Husayn Muhammad Ahmad, Downed by antiaircraft fire near Amyah. Pilot captured.
-1 Mirage F.1EQ 2-feb-1987 Capt. Zohair Mohammed Saeed, Downed by antiaircraft fire near Arak. Pilot captured.
-1 Mirage F.1EQ 14-feb-1987 Lt. Hamid Khalil Zakher, Downed by antiaircraft fire. Pilot captured.
-1 Mirage F.1EQ 18-feb-1987 Сapt. Fuad Tait, Downed by F-14A over the Gulf.
-1 Mirage F.1EQ 20-feb-1987 1-st Lt. Ahlan Abdul-Qadr, Downed by F-14A over the Gulf.
-1 Mirage F.1EQ 29-aug-1987 Capt. Abdul Kareem Muhammad Ahmed, Downed by antiaircraft fire near Farsi. Pilot ejected and was recovered by US NAVY 56 hours later.
-1 Mirage F.1EQ 9-sep-1987 Downed by antiaircraft fire near Arak. Pilot captured.
-1 Mirage F.1EQ 15-nov-1987 Downed by antiaircraft fire near Gach Saran. Pilot killed.
-1 Mirage F.1EQ 3-apr-1988 Capt. Talal Khalil Ibrahim, shot down over Isfahan by 35-mm AA fire. Pilot captured.
-1 Mirage F.1EQ 4-may-1988 Downed by antiaircraft fire near Shiraz. Pilot captured.
hayder كتب: Mirage F1EQ
remaining in 1990: 76
remaining in 1990: 76 - this number probably included two seat trainers.

Regarding combat missions: the newspaper "Al Qadisiyah" quoted Iraqi air force commander Hamid Shaaban as saying Iraqi warplanes had flown 11 015 combat missions in the period from 1-jan-1987 to 23-apr-1987. For comparison Shaaban gave info that during whole 1985 year IqAF flown 24 000 combat missions and in 1986 flown 31 144 combat missions.

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Re: Losses of Iraqi aircraft 1980 - 88

مشاركة بواسطة hayder » الثلاثاء مارس 15, 2011 7:06 pm

hi Nissan 28.

thanks for your valuable input.

I double checked the data. the number of Mirage F1 SINGLE seaters was 76 (this is also excluding the 8 kuwaiti examples Iraq captured in 1990).

The total number delivered was either 93 or 95. The remaining was 76, so between 1981-1990 a total of 17-19 aircraft were lost to all causes including accidents.

Of course Iraq also had 15 two seaters, of which I believe 3 crashed in various mishaps in the 1980s, which brings the total "written off" to 19-22 airframes.

however there is one potential issue in the official iraqi numbers because the number of single seaters that flew to Iran was maybe 22 not 24 (since 2 dual seaters also flew there).

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Re: Losses of Iraqi aircraft 1980 - 88

مشاركة بواسطة hayder » الثلاثاء مارس 15, 2011 7:23 pm

with regards to the numbers of combat missions, its very interesting.

1985 - 24000 - 65 on average per day
1986 - 31100 - 85 on average per day
1987 (4 months) - 11000 - 95 on average per day

so the number of combat sorties per day was increasing at the rate of around "10 additional daily sorties" per year.

if we use 1985 as the "median" figure then we can see that Iraq flew maybe around 200k combat sorties during the entire war? That would be an aircraft loss rate of less than 1 aircraft per 1300 combat sorties.

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Re: Losses of Iraqi aircraft 1980 - 88

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السلام عليكم
اعتقد ان هذه المعلومات غير دقيقة
حيث اخبرني احد مهندسي طائرات الميراج ان العراق اشترى 104 طائرات المتبقي منهابعد حرب ايران 70 طائرة مفسمة على 4 اسراب هي 79 و81 و89 و91 وان المتبقي منها هو 32 بعد حرب 1991 و24 رحلت الى ايران ودمرت 12
اما بالنسبة للميك 25 فالمتبقي منها بعد الحرب هو 18 طائرة و8 في روسيا للعمرة
8 طائرات ار بي و6 ب د اس و4 مزدوجة للتدريب
هذه المعلومات مستقاة من مهندسي الاسراب

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Re: Losses of Iraqi aircraft 1980 - 88

مشاركة بواسطة iqhawk » الاثنين إبريل 04, 2011 11:15 pm

هناك حادث سقوط لطائرة mig-25ru ذات المقعدين المخصصة للتدريب حيث كانت في طلعة روتينية واختفت المقاتله فجاة من على شاشات الرادار ووجد الحطام بعد البحث..ولم يعرف سبب التحطم او المسبب.

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Re: Losses of Iraqi aircraft 1980 - 88

مشاركة بواسطة Khalid » الاثنين إبريل 04, 2011 11:30 pm

iqhawk كتب:هناك حادث سقوط لطائرة mig-25ru ذات المقعدين المخصصة للتدريب حيث كانت في طلعة روتينية واختفت المقاتله فجاة من على شاشات الرادار ووجد الحطام بعد البحث..ولم يعرف سبب التحطم او المسبب.
متى كان هذا الحادث؟
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Re: Losses of Iraqi aircraft 1980 - 88

مشاركة بواسطة iqhawk » الثلاثاء إبريل 05, 2011 12:00 am

تاريخ وقوع الحادث غير معروف بالنسبة لي حيث كان في شهر رمضان و استشهد الصقور الذين كانو على متنها وكانو من خيرة الطيارين وبدون مبالغه على نطاق الشرق الاوسط..يملكون الاف ساعات الطيران على اعقد المقاتلات الروسية..
هذة المعلومات منقولة من أحد صقور الفوكسبات

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Re: Losses of Iraqi aircraft 1980 - 88

مشاركة بواسطة raaft » الخميس مايو 19, 2011 7:26 pm

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يذكر اللواء الطيار علوان العبوسي ان خسائر العراق بالطائرات خلال الحرب العراقية الايرانية هو 250 طائرة مما ادى الى استشهاد 100 طيار وحوالي 50 مفقود
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Re: Losses of Iraqi aircraft 1980 - 88

مشاركة بواسطة Khalid » الخميس مايو 19, 2011 7:59 pm

قرأت في احد المواقع (لا اذكر الرابط مع الاسف) ان في سنة 1982 حدثت حالة هروب لطيار مقاتلة ميكَ-23 هبط بها في سوريا، و اثناء التحقيق معه اعترف ان القوة الجوية العراقية خسرت حوالي 100 طائرة في ذلك الحين و ان القوة الجوية تحاول ان تستقطب متطوعين جدد لها لكي تعوض الخسارة، لا اعلم مدى صحة هذا الكلام
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Re: Losses of Iraqi aircraft 1980 - 88

مشاركة بواسطة hayder » الخميس مايو 19, 2011 9:12 pm

Hi Raaft. the 250 aircraft figure would also include the losses of the Iraqi Army Aviation (helicopters and PC7/PC9).

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Re: Losses of Iraqi aircraft 1980 - 88

مشاركة بواسطة raaft » الخميس مايو 19, 2011 9:30 pm

hayder كتب:Hi Raaft. the 250 aircraft figure would also include the losses of the Iraqi Army Aviation (helicopters and PC7/PC9).
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يذكر ايضا اللواء علوان العبوسي ان دفاعنا الجوي اسقط 16 طائرة بالخطا في بداية الحرب من ضمنهاطائرة اليوشن 76 اثناء هبوطها في مطار الرشيد واتذكر ان احد الجنود العاملين على بطرية كفادرات قد ذكر لي في عام 1984 ان بطريتهم اسقطت 6 طائرات 3 منها عراقية واحدها طائرة النقل اثناء هبوطها في مطار الرشيد

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