FD-2000 / HQ-9 for Iraq
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FD-2000 / HQ-9 for Iraq
This topic has been open for over 2 years since a large chinese delegation visited the Iraqi Air defence command in 2013.
Since then we've had news of Iraq wanting S300V SAMs from Russia... but then being unable to pay for it upfront.
Now the Iraqi finance ministry released detail that China is providing Iraq with a $2.5Bn loan to finance weapons purchases.
Here's a recent article on the matter.
http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2247785.html
Iraq can purchase FD-2000 Chinese anti-aircraft missile system
bmpd
November 13th, 0:05
According to the publication « Chine. Des systemes FD-2000 pour l'Irak? », Placed the magazine« the Air & Cosmos », although Iraq originally wanted to buy a very well-known and effective Russian anti-aircraft missile system of the series S-300P, this could not afford the military budget. Chinese export anti-aircraft missile system FD- 2000 () chinanews.com
As a result, according to reports in the local media, Baghdad reportedly started negotiations with Beijing on buying more batteries AAMS FD-2000 (export version of the complex Chinese HQ-9), the same modifications, from which previously refused to Ankara. Although this choice, if it finds its confirmation in the first place based on financial considerations, especially since China offers preferential financing terms, Iraq is already using Chinese weapons in the first place, the UAV Cai Hong-4 system (CH- 4B).
Since then we've had news of Iraq wanting S300V SAMs from Russia... but then being unable to pay for it upfront.
Now the Iraqi finance ministry released detail that China is providing Iraq with a $2.5Bn loan to finance weapons purchases.
Here's a recent article on the matter.
http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2247785.html
Iraq can purchase FD-2000 Chinese anti-aircraft missile system
bmpd
November 13th, 0:05
According to the publication « Chine. Des systemes FD-2000 pour l'Irak? », Placed the magazine« the Air & Cosmos », although Iraq originally wanted to buy a very well-known and effective Russian anti-aircraft missile system of the series S-300P, this could not afford the military budget. Chinese export anti-aircraft missile system FD- 2000 () chinanews.com
As a result, according to reports in the local media, Baghdad reportedly started negotiations with Beijing on buying more batteries AAMS FD-2000 (export version of the complex Chinese HQ-9), the same modifications, from which previously refused to Ankara. Although this choice, if it finds its confirmation in the first place based on financial considerations, especially since China offers preferential financing terms, Iraq is already using Chinese weapons in the first place, the UAV Cai Hong-4 system (CH- 4B).
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Re: FD-2000 / HQ-9 for Iraq
The FD-2000 type that Iraq's looking for is the updated system with 200km effective range.
A 6 or 7 Battery system would give Iraq air defence coverage in the medium to high altitude range. However it would still leave gaps in low altitude coverage that would have to be filled y PANTSIR or other Systems.
Below is a hypothetical 6x Battery system. An optional 7th Battery in Western Baghdad would increase the multi-layer coverage over Baghdad and its Environs. Hence the 7th Battery is very likely a strong possibility.
A 6 or 7 Battery system would give Iraq air defence coverage in the medium to high altitude range. However it would still leave gaps in low altitude coverage that would have to be filled y PANTSIR or other Systems.
Below is a hypothetical 6x Battery system. An optional 7th Battery in Western Baghdad would increase the multi-layer coverage over Baghdad and its Environs. Hence the 7th Battery is very likely a strong possibility.
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Re: FD-2000 / HQ-9 for Iraq
The 7-Battery system showing increased coverage over Baghdad.
in this instance the Batteries will be located (roughly) :
Basra West (Rumaila North, site of old Kvadrat system)
Samawa - Al Salman Air Base
Anbar - Al Waleed Air Base
Ninawa -Qayarra Air Base
Kirkuk/Diyala area North of Tuz Khormatu
Kut - Numaniya or Air Base
Baghdad - Near International Airport
in this instance the Batteries will be located (roughly) :
Basra West (Rumaila North, site of old Kvadrat system)
Samawa - Al Salman Air Base
Anbar - Al Waleed Air Base
Ninawa -Qayarra Air Base
Kirkuk/Diyala area North of Tuz Khormatu
Kut - Numaniya or Air Base
Baghdad - Near International Airport
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Re: FD-2000 / HQ-9 for Iraq
Thanks for the effort Hayder
I really hope that this deal will go through ASAP
I really hope that this deal will go through ASAP
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Re: FD-2000 / HQ-9 for Iraq
Because the Chinese produce these systems at a rapid pace. I believe they could have a "skeleton" system up and running in Iraq by 2017 and a full system by 2018.
A "skeleton" would consist of:
7x Early warning radars
7x Command Centres
7x Fire Control Centres
21x Fire Units with 4x missiles per unit.
This would give a "temporary" coverage over the entire area of up to 12x missiles ready to fire per sector. Sufficient as a deterrent but not enough to stop large attack packages concentrated in one direction.
Once the "complete" system is in place they should be able to handle 36-48x targets per sector simultaneously. About enough of a deterrent against most of our neighbours. Importantly Batteries can be "strenghthened" with fire units and extra controllers from "low priority" sectors in times of conflict against one neighbour or the other... allowing the "augmented" sector additional firepower whilst retaining minimal interception capability in other sectors.
A "skeleton" would consist of:
7x Early warning radars
7x Command Centres
7x Fire Control Centres
21x Fire Units with 4x missiles per unit.
This would give a "temporary" coverage over the entire area of up to 12x missiles ready to fire per sector. Sufficient as a deterrent but not enough to stop large attack packages concentrated in one direction.
Once the "complete" system is in place they should be able to handle 36-48x targets per sector simultaneously. About enough of a deterrent against most of our neighbours. Importantly Batteries can be "strenghthened" with fire units and extra controllers from "low priority" sectors in times of conflict against one neighbour or the other... allowing the "augmented" sector additional firepower whilst retaining minimal interception capability in other sectors.
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Re: FD-2000 / HQ-9 for Iraq
there is news that abadi has approved the chinese arms contract to be bought with a loan.
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Rumors or news?
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Re: FD-2000 / HQ-9 for Iraq
well. lets say more rumour as of now. certainly the budget has not yet been formally approved.
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Re: FD-2000 / HQ-9 for Iraq
today the commander of the ADC met with the NORINCO delegation talking about the SkyDragon 50 at the baghdad defence and security expo
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الحصول على المنظومة الصينية مضيعة للمال والجهد لأن الصين نفسها لم تعتمد عليها تماما وأشترت المنظومة الروسية
S-400
S-400
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Re: FD-2000 / HQ-9 for Iraq
commander of the air defence command met with a delegation from CPMIEC to discuss the purchase of FD-2000 SAMs for Iraq.
قائد الدفاع الجوي يستقبل ممثلي الشركة CPMIECالصينيةهي المصنعه لمنظومة الدفاع الجوي ( hq-9)
التقى قائد الدفاع الجوي الفريق دج الركن ( جبار عبيد كاظم )
ممثلي شركة (CPMIEC) الصينية المفوضة من قبل الحكومة الصينية و المتخصصة باستيراد وتصدير أسلحة ومنظومات الدفاع الجوي و المكائن والآلات الدقيقة وبحضور معاون قائد الدفاع الجوي حيث تم تبادل الرؤى في مجالات التعاون بين قيادة الدفاع الجوي وممثلي الشركة بما يؤمن تلبية احتياجات القيادة من الاسلحة والمعدات التي تخدم عمل المنظومات والمعدات الخاصة بالدفاع الجوي حيث اتفق الجانبان على استمرار اللقاءات والتعاون المشترك .
قائد الدفاع الجوي يستقبل ممثلي الشركة CPMIECالصينيةهي المصنعه لمنظومة الدفاع الجوي ( hq-9)
التقى قائد الدفاع الجوي الفريق دج الركن ( جبار عبيد كاظم )
ممثلي شركة (CPMIEC) الصينية المفوضة من قبل الحكومة الصينية و المتخصصة باستيراد وتصدير أسلحة ومنظومات الدفاع الجوي و المكائن والآلات الدقيقة وبحضور معاون قائد الدفاع الجوي حيث تم تبادل الرؤى في مجالات التعاون بين قيادة الدفاع الجوي وممثلي الشركة بما يؤمن تلبية احتياجات القيادة من الاسلحة والمعدات التي تخدم عمل المنظومات والمعدات الخاصة بالدفاع الجوي حيث اتفق الجانبان على استمرار اللقاءات والتعاون المشترك .
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Re: FD-2000 / HQ-9 for Iraq
The entire Iraqi government was in china for a 7 day official visit.
they signed up officially for the "Belt and Road" .
They also signed up many MoUs to increase bilateral trade and investments to $50Bn per year ($500Bn over 10 years).
Within this context, Iraq and CATIC have begun negotiations for large loans to finance strategic projects in Iraq.
All of the above puts china in a very strong position to be the supplier for any future large air defence system. Of course nothing has actually been anounced and this is all conjecture at this point.
they signed up officially for the "Belt and Road" .
They also signed up many MoUs to increase bilateral trade and investments to $50Bn per year ($500Bn over 10 years).
Within this context, Iraq and CATIC have begun negotiations for large loans to finance strategic projects in Iraq.
All of the above puts china in a very strong position to be the supplier for any future large air defence system. Of course nothing has actually been anounced and this is all conjecture at this point.